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Mar. 24th, 2010 04:47 am (UTC)
i get so much negative BS about the healthcare stuff from my parents and one friend of mine it drives me nuts. I'm sure its not a perfect plan, but I doubt it can be as bad as a certain segment of the population is painting it to be.
Mar. 24th, 2010 04:08 pm (UTC)

Really good article about how the HCR bill, flawed though it is, will benefit cancer patients

By the way over in the UK we're amazed that Universal Health care could even be an issue. This bill looks like a start which is something

We pay national insurance and in return we get healthcare free at the point of use. The NHS isn't perfect but I cherish and bless it and bless the security of knowing that my family are safe and that no insurance company can deny them care and that decisions on treatment are made by doctors, not insurance companies.

I never want to read another apeal on LJ for help with medical costs or hear of another friend going bankrupt because she had a heart attack and her insurance company decided that teenage acne was a pre existing condition which enabled them to refuse to pay up.

It's taken 30 years to get this far and the GOP have had plenty of chances to come up with something they liked better.
If a country can afford wars it can afford healthcare.
Mar. 24th, 2010 04:22 pm (UTC)
Totally agree!
I don't see universal health care as anti-democracy or pro-socialist...its taking care of people, nothing more. It has been ages since I've seen a doctor cause I can't afford it. So far, I've been lucky. *fingers crossed*
Will save the link to read tonight.
Mar. 25th, 2010 09:26 am (UTC)
The GOP actually *did* come up with something they liked better; they've been pushing their own ideas for health care reform for at least four years that I know of, but they kept getting shut down by the Dems. I suspect it was because the GOP wanted to deal with one issue at a time, giving everyone a chance to study and be clear on them, and not have to accept something they didn't like along with something they did. Instead, the Democrats packaged the good stuff in one big huge stinking gob of bad stuff, while not addressing other health care issues that might have brought costs down for everyone.

In addition to that are two other interconnected things: First, the protest isn't about health care per se; it's about the federal government taking control of a full 1/6th of the American economy. It's a power grab, and that's what Washington cares about. We actually founded this country on the concept of reining in the power of a central government.

Finally, the bill simply isn't allowed by our law of the land, the Constitution. The states can pass health care reform, but the Federal government isn't allowed that power, and the only way it can be is by Constitutional amendment. Every Congressman who voted for ObamaCare, and the President when he signed it, committed a federal crime. So it doesn't matter whether the law's good or bad -- it's simply not allowed.

Oh, and I'm getting thouroughly tired of everyone trying to tie this in with the cost of wars. We went to Afghanistan *after* people there became involved in carrying out an attack against American soil. We invaded Iraq after Saddam Hussein thumbed his nose at numerous UN demands and made moves that convinced every intelligence service in the world that he was building *more* weapons of mass destruction. Why didn't the UN do something about him? Both regimes were vicious dictatorships that exported violence and routinely tortured and killed their own people.
Mar. 25th, 2010 02:39 pm (UTC)
I like and respect you Mark but I'm bowing out of this one.

You and I will never agree on politics.

I've read the points you're making in many other places. I've tried to read on both sides of this debate

I disagree on all points

But hey

I'm a raging liberal. We in the UK snigger when anyone calls Obama a socialist , by UK standards he's a Conservative and a right of centre one at that

Anyway, politically we are diametrically opposed but then if we all thought the same they'd flip us on our backs once a year and shear us.

I'll continue to hope that America finally gets single payer UHC because I genuinely believe in it.

But it's your country and your fight.

So here's me bowing out.

Edited at 2010-03-25 02:40 pm (UTC)
Mar. 26th, 2010 12:48 am (UTC)
Yes, good point. The very idea that anyone could think of Obama as conservative makes it obvious that our two nations' general political views are as far apart as they could possibly be.

I've tried my best for a long time to go easy on matters political, but this is just way too important for America, a complete change from what we were founded on, which is why it invokes very strong feelings on both sides. I'm hearing now that Democrats and some Republicans are facing threats and vandalism, and it makes me ashamed. I'm also hoping for some changes in our health care system; just not many of these changes, plus I'd like to see others that aren't included.

The problem is, on the one hand I think it's too important not to join in the fight, but on the other hand my liberal friends wouldn't be on my flist if they were people I didn't like and respect, too. Some days my head just explodes. I believe I'll put political stuff under a cut from now on.
Mar. 25th, 2010 09:09 am (UTC)
I believe it's a horrible plan, even if it does have a few nuggets in it here and there. However, I can't say exactly how many changes have been made to it since I started reading the whole honkin' thousand plus thing back before Congress began debating it, so my opinion on that might change as more details come to light. We were told that this entire debate would be broadcast live on C-Span, but instead there was a great deal of backroom dealing going on.
Mar. 24th, 2010 06:13 pm (UTC)
This is the conclusion I've come to: the healthcare reform will help some people, leave a lot of people unaffected, and hurt a minority of people who can probably afford to be taken down a notch.

They're still fighting tooth and nail . . . There's currently a petition to allow Michiganders to vote on whether we want to opt out or not. I imagine a lot of other states will have similar situations. I think they said the petition needed 320,000 signatures or something like that.
Mar. 25th, 2010 09:32 am (UTC)
Hm ... I doubt any state will opt out of this, because the federal government has a very effective trick of refusing federal funds to states that don't do what the feds want them to. As I've been saying, the healthcare bill is in reality less about healthcare and more about power. There's a reason why the Constitution doesn't allow the federal government to gather this much power to itself.
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