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Dollhouse to be torn down

Not all that surprisingly, Dollhouse has been canceled by Fox, the Surrender Network. A bit more surprisingly, they're planning to air the remaining episodes.

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allisnow
Nov. 12th, 2009 01:01 am (UTC)
Well, you have to admit, the ratings were pretty dismal.
ozma914
Nov. 12th, 2009 06:37 am (UTC)
True, but I wonder how any other serious show would have fared in the death spot on Friday night -- not to mention not even bothering to air it during sweeps month.
keith5by5
Nov. 12th, 2009 12:25 pm (UTC)
Heh, I shouldn't get involved, but what the hell.
I'll admit to not watching the show, BUT I've read enough Eliza threads about the show to have a few opinions.

1. First you have a pretty disgusting concept, coerced men and women being brainwashed and then repeatedly raped for the entertainment of rich men and women. I mean how many times is Echo screwed by people in Season 1? People who have control not over her body and but her sexual preferences. If that's not a show to turn people off, then I don't know what is. Yeah, she looked sexy in the dom outfit, but what if Caroline wasn't part of the scene?

2. Second you have an ill-thought concept. How do you make a profit from such a tiny niche market, when your overhead is so high? How do you avoid detection, when your ‘dolls’ are not just meeting rich guys in sequestered getaways, but are appearing with them at gala events–or in some cases, joining the entourages of major celebrities? How can a FBI agent, even one as dumb as Ballard, not find the place when all these rich people manage it?

How do college professors afford an Active? Why would you spend so much money on what accounts to a hooker? Why hire a girl to be your child's mother, why not get a nurse? How would the deceased woman's family and friends not notice this weirdo thinking she was this kid's mother?

The show was not thought through at all.

3. Third you have Caroline. Now, I admit she's probably a hero to liberals such as Eliza (who I love) and Joss (who I certainly don't), but to me and Middle-America?

As you know, my gran and auntie died of cancer this year. My dad died of it when I was 8, my cousin's got it now. If killing a few thousand bunnies could have stopped all that, big whoop.

But Caroline on the other hand. If she's into animal activism, fair enough, she's allowed her opinion and I think it's barbaric to test make-up on them. Going around handing out leaftlets, waving placards, and campaigning with petitions, fine. But breaking into a lab?

In other words, she thinks her political beliefs are more important than the law of a democratic nation? She's not only arrogant, but she's pretty much akin to an anti-abortionist who breaks into a clinic or a Klu Klux Klansman who terrorises a black family. Does she deserve the Dollhouse? No, but it's hard to feel sympathy.

4. I also read the show's built on her assignments 'glitching'. Surely it abuses sense of disbelief that she'd glitch so much and they wouldn't send her to the attic?

5. There was outrage when Jericho, Journeyman, Angel, Dresden Files, and Southland were all cancelled. None of them were on FOX.

6. Ah, but FOX cancels more sci-fi than any other network I hear you cry.
Eh, yeah. And the reason for that would be.... FOX tries more Sci-Fi than any other network bar the Sci-Fi Channel. I enjoyed John Doe, Tru Calling, and Space: Above & Beyond, but really it's about ratings, and FOX aren't allowed to make profits, they should just be a vanity project for dear old Joss.

7. You have a fanbase (I'm refering to the fanatics of a certain website rather than the average viewer), whose all behaviour is based around calling everyone names who doesn't like Whedon's stuff. If that's not going to alienate people, hell I don't know what will.
allisnow
Nov. 12th, 2009 02:26 pm (UTC)
Re: Heh, I shouldn't get involved, but what the hell.
Makes sense to me. Since I never actually watched the show (was interested at first, but when I learned more about the premise and heard how negative the initial reviews were, I decided not to bother), #5 and 6 stand out to me. I think FOX probably takes a lot more risks with shows than a lot of other networks. But if a show isn't making money for a network, any network, what obligation do they have to keep airing it? Until producers find a way to become independently funded, and post their shows on the internet or something, shows *some* people like are going to keep getting canceled.

(Personally I'm still bitter about Life, but I'm not boycotting NBC.)
allisnow
Nov. 12th, 2009 02:19 pm (UTC)
Well, they only moved it to Friday after it brought it poor ratings on its original night.

Besides, there was a little show called XF that held the Friday night spot for several years and was quite successful ;)
ozma914
Nov. 13th, 2009 05:33 am (UTC)
While the quality of the show improved dramatically starting around episode 5 or 6, it was probably far too late by then -- not to mention Eliza really was overshadowed by the supporting characters, even though she gave it her best. As for the character Caroline, I'm with him on that -- she was just not a very likable person, which cut down on the viewer's ability to identify with her. I remember wincing when I realized the original Caroline was not much better than an eco-terrorist, the kind of person who's probably a hero in Hollywood.

Keith and I are of differing views on Joss Whedon, but I think we can both agree that Joss' eagerness to make his viewers uncomfortable isn't helping his shows' ratings.
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kevenn
Nov. 12th, 2009 01:54 am (UTC)
I figured it was coming. I hope they get to tie up the series.
ozma914
Nov. 12th, 2009 06:37 am (UTC)
that's the plan -- or so Fox claims.
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ozma914
Nov. 13th, 2009 05:34 am (UTC)
Not every one -- Bones and Fringe are going strong, and they're both great shows. But ... yeah. Some shows do seem to get heavier support right from the beginning.
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keith5by5
Nov. 12th, 2009 08:49 am (UTC)
Just hope Eliza bounces back into something far better.

Black Cat? Witchblade?
ozma914
Nov. 13th, 2009 05:36 am (UTC)
Ooh, Eliza in a black cat outfit ... I'm sorry, what were we talking about?

As an old space opera fan, I'd like to see her suited up as a starship captain. Maybe I should rewrite my old teenage SF stories with a female in command ...
keith5by5
Nov. 13th, 2009 08:20 am (UTC)
"As an old space opera fan, I'd like to see her suited up as a starship captain. Maybe I should rewrite my old teenage SF stories with a female in command ..."

Lol. Sounds good. As long as Babylon 5's creator is directing!
ozma914
Nov. 15th, 2009 07:59 am (UTC)
I could only wish those stories would get popular enough to turn into a series! They did come out of my love for Star Trek, after all, although the universe I created was closer by Babylon 5.

As often happens when you're a teen, my original ship captain was something of a self-insert. The executive officer was originally a white male, but to put in more diversity I decided years ago to turn that character into a black female. If I do that now, of course, I'll be accused of stealing that first officer idea from Firefly, even though I was first. *sigh*
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