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Not All Socialist Countries are Alike
by Nate Silver

This is Canada:



It's a big, pretty country to our north where they like hockey and talk like that weird uncle of yours from Minnesota.

This is the United Kingdom:



Some people are having trouble keeping these countries straight!


http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/08/not-all-socialist-countries-are-alike.html

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kazzy_cee
Aug. 13th, 2009 06:17 am (UTC)
I wish they'd include that we can also get private health insurance over here in the UK on these things.... I have private health care as well as access to the NHS. I can pick and choose where I have treatment done and when.

*sighs*
ozma914
Aug. 13th, 2009 10:39 am (UTC)
Word of that gets around, I've heard it several times. But then, I'm reading more than most people are.
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ozma914
Aug. 13th, 2009 10:38 am (UTC)
Really? I guess I can see that -- even the most geographically challenged person here knows Canada isn't a part of the US, but lots of American kids don't understand the difference between England and Britain.
gillo
Aug. 13th, 2009 11:04 am (UTC)
It's your country, your decision what to do about health care. But it makes me incandescent with rage to see your politicians lying about our NHS for political advantage. Steven Hawking is the most egregious example, but there are many, many more.

We can have private insurance here. Business people get it so they can choose the time of a non-urgent operation, for instance. But in the case of an emergency or something life-threatening, nobody in their right mind would go private. Not when we have world-class hospitals like Addenbrooks (has saved Hawking's life umpteen times over the last half-cantury), Great Ormond Street, Guy's, St Thomas's and so on.

One of my closest friends discovered a lump in her breast a month ago. Today she is in hospital, possibly in theatre as I type. She'll be home tomorrow, barring emergencies, and will get home visits if she needs them from her doctor. She will start radiotherapy in a month. All free. Even though she had a similar problem on the other side ten years ago, with treatment and extended therapy. How many US insurers would cover her for this new problem, I wonder?

Sorry, Mark. It's not your fault. But I am very, very angry about the falsehoods about us being used to defend Big Insurance's campaign over there.
vovat
Aug. 13th, 2009 07:58 pm (UTC)
Hey, if you can't trust an insurance company, whom CAN you trust? :P
ozma914
Aug. 14th, 2009 05:07 am (UTC)
There are plenty of liars on both sides, believe me -- as for insurance companies, I trust them as far as I do politicians!

There are also plenty of people trying to be fair and look at both sides of the issue, but you never hear from *them* on the news.
vovat
Aug. 14th, 2009 08:24 pm (UTC)
as for insurance companies, I trust them as far as I do politicians!

While I don't trust either, I think politicians might be slightly more accountable, if only because they can be voted out.

As for looking at both sides, I don't really feel I need to look at the insurance companies' side, because I think they've been screwing over the country, with the assistance of the government, for years. But I AM willing to listen to unsolicited criticism of universal health care.
ozma914
Aug. 16th, 2009 10:29 am (UTC)
Incumbents have so many advantages that, when added with the human tendency to stick with the devil you know, it's almost as hard to kick them out of office as it is to figure out insurance regulations. :-)

I think the same thing about universal health care that I think about many other government social programs: A good idea in theory that, in the hands of the government, tends to become bloated, wasteful and overcome with red tape, greed, power grabs, and ridiculous rules. As I often say, that doesn't mean I like the status quo ...
vovat
Aug. 17th, 2009 01:09 am (UTC)
Incumbents have so many advantages that, when added with the human tendency to stick with the devil you know, it's almost as hard to kick them out of office as it is to figure out insurance regulations.

True, which makes me wonder why they're all so eager to accept campaign contributions. Unless they're really terrible, all they usually need to do is let their constituents know they still exist. {g}
ozma914
Aug. 17th, 2009 07:41 am (UTC)
Part time legislatures and full time fund raisers ....
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